<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large">OK, sorry for being a pain. I just feel gyped at the license expiration not resetting at passing the general. I'll pull my technician book out and see if I can re-learn all that stuff. Memorization is not easy for me anymore.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 10:44 PM Buckeroo Brad <<a href="mailto:buckeroobrad@gmail.com">buckeroobrad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is the 35 word Technician test different than the original Technician test? I don't the term "35 word"<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 10:11 PM cucuzza18 <<a href="mailto:cucuzza18@gmail.com" target="_blank">cucuzza18@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">This link shows that the FCC database lists that you held a General license. </div><div dir="auto">From what I have read it seems to me that proof of your general license and passing the 35 word Technician test gets your General license back. Every Amateur new has to pay the $35 fee.</div><div dir="auto">Paper licenses are no longer issued. We have to print them from the FCC website. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/LicArchive/license.jsp?archive=Y&licKey=16724458&printable" target="_blank">https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/LicArchive/license.jsp?archive=Y&licKey=16724458&printable</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div id="m_7622835292338514424m_7420741994363460200composer_signature" dir="auto"><div style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(87,87,87)" dir="auto">Sent from my Metro by T-Mobile 5G Device</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:rgb(0,0,0)" align="left"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Buckeroo Brad <<a href="mailto:buckeroobrad@gmail.com" target="_blank">buckeroobrad@gmail.com</a>> </div><div>Date: 1/6/24 8:20 PM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: Mail List for the W5SFA Radio Club <<a href="mailto:w5sfa@w5sfa.org" target="_blank">w5sfa@w5sfa.org</a>> </div><div>Subject: Re: [W5SFA] License renewal? </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large" class="gmail_default">When I looked up my license on FCC site, it just said expired. It did not list my rating. I have no proof of my general license and that's why I thought it had not been registered. I never received the paper license. Nor did I get any notice of my license expiring. As I've said, the HAM hobby as slid off into low priority because of other problems that needed solving first. I know I should have checked on it sooner, but honestly though I had 10 years starting from 2017, not 2011. I'm wondering if I have to take both tests over again, or if the General will reinstate if I take the Tech again. But I expect I will have to retake both tests. Do you know?<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 7:15 PM Buckeroo Brad <<a href="mailto:buckeroobrad@gmail.com" target="_blank">buckeroobrad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large" class="gmail_default">If I take the Tech again, do I also have to take the General again to reinstate it?<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 6:22 PM Buckeroo Brad <<a href="mailto:buckeroobrad@gmail.com" target="_blank">buckeroobrad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large" class="gmail_default">I guess I'm screwed then. I thought that the expiration date reset when I passed the General. Taking those tests again with my old brain seem monumental now. I'll try to appeal to the FCC, but if that doesn't work, I'm out.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 5:56 PM Buckeroo Brad <<a href="mailto:buckeroobrad@gmail.com" target="_blank">buckeroobrad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large" class="gmail_default">All this time I have believed that my license had been updated to General and that I still had time to renew it.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 5:54 PM Buckeroo Brad <<a href="mailto:buckeroobrad@gmail.com" target="_blank">buckeroobrad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large" class="gmail_default">Were not the testers responsible for submitting the success of my general test in 2017? Sadly, I won't be able to retake the Technician, much less the General. Can not the club tell the FCC that I passed that test in 2017? That that license should still be in effect?<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 5:50 PM Roger Klein <<a href="mailto:rwklein@protonmail.com" target="_blank">rwklein@protonmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Brad,</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I took a look at your license on QRZ.com and sure enough it expired on 11-29-2021. However, you were registered as a General licensee - but note that upgrading your license does not change (or extend) your renewal date - you get 10 years from the initial issue (e.g. when you got your Tech license).</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">You should have received an email communication informing you that your license is up for renewal.</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">There is a two-year grace period after your license expires where you can renew, but it looks like you are just beyond that. So I will refer you to this page:</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span><a href="https://www.arrl.org/expired-license-credit" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.arrl.org/expired-license-credit</a></span><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">From my read of the page, it appears that after the two year grace period your license is cancelled. You can reinstate and get credit for your General ticket, but unfortunately it looks like you'll need to retake the Technician exam and upon passing you'll be issued a new call sign. The left side of that ARRL web page has a lot of good information as well.</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The FCC is now charging a $35 fee for both new licenses and renewals, which you have to pay online. The FCC also requires you to get an FRN number as they have moved much of the licensing process to be electronic.</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Let me know if you have further questions!</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">73,</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Roger</div><br><br>Sent from Proton Mail mobile<br><br><br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br>On Jan 6, 2024, 5:27 PM, Buckeroo Brad < <a href="mailto:buckeroobrad@gmail.com" target="_blank">buckeroobrad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote><br><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large">Brad Taylor here. OK HAM buffs, I took and passed the General test on 7/26/2017 but apparently the testers did not turn the results into the FCC and my Technician license expired in 2021. I am no longer licensed. What do I do to get my General rating and my license back?<br clear="all"></div><br><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><hr width="100%" size="2"><font style="font-size:10pt" size="2">Please, if you forward this, remove my email address before you do. I
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